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1/22/2009 4:15:09 PM
I like the grey areas myself.
Reading this pipeline, there's such a melting pot, some kind of imminent clash between the shiny happy people who are constantly boosting one another and another whole group who is seeking a contrasting truth, digging for the marrow that might not even be there a fair part of the time. Sometimes I see people so stuck between wanting to please others and carving some unique niche for themselves that I see them twisting and turning like soft pretzels of the psyche. Will these situations resolve with a united herd of sheep in the middle and several artistic desperados hovering on the outskirts of the parameters? Or will the various provocative rebels lure thinking individuals one by one off the main thoroughfare?
Is this a world where everybody belongs or one where there are unwritten laws governing what your state of mind must be to participate successfully?
What percentage of people learn from those that disagree with them and is it bigger than the percentage of people who gravitate to where they wanted to end up in the first place no matter what clear realities are presented as obstacles for their chosen path?
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The Man With No Band
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1/22/2009 4:18:09 PM
hmmmm ... a very good thing to ponder .... It would make one hell of a painting ...
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1/22/2009 6:49:45 PM
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FLY s'bout time you showed up in this "pipeline" again.
It's been a little crazy lately.
Both the BLOGS and my life, that is.
You ALWAYZ make me contemplate my li'l hairy ole navel, dude...
Hopefully some of the REALLY intelligent folks out there will respond to your, ONCE FUCKIN" AGAIN, thought provoking little blog here.
OH YEAH I think I raised a good point in a couple of these blogs i.e. Is it REALLY Ass-kissin', if your giving out ENCOURAGEMENT & somewhat carefully worded, challenging words, to other ARTISTS, who have become like as unto a FRIEND?
Are you THAT fuckin' cynical? Well, I can't be yet. If I let myself go to that high degree of jadeded-ness, while in this dark place in my life right now, I'd lose ALL hope of anything beyond 10 levels of SUCK, in a fiery pit of doom.
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Bob Elliott
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1/22/2009 8:02:32 PM
I don't know. In the real world not many want to discuss the creative process of music making, and I think I will shrivel inside if I don't.
So here I am.
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fly on the wall
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1/23/2009 12:22:12 AM
I'll field that question of yours, Phlegm.
Yes, I'd say I'm a cynical individual. I do have no doubt there are a lot of cases here where friends go totally overboard with praise for their friends. I don't like this because the majority of the time I see somebody going hogwild over a song, I listen and actually get pissed off, feeling like I've been conned. You almost wonder if one person is paid to do promo work for another on the side (not really). One way of telling if there's bullshit in the air or not is if you notice that the person is only high on community members or on the other foot if you actually see them occasionally praising a song that is not by somebody who is likely to read their blog and perhaps reciprocate.
One de_scription that you hear often about independent music communities is that it's all a big circle jerk. I think it somewhat discredits indie music to any listeners reading when so much of the music banter is this unbridled gleeful praise. It almost defeats their purpose. Still, tastes are so different it's probably best to just not read any of that and find other ways to seek songs you might like, I won't rule out that I feel the way I do about this because I'm more inclined to enjoy probing subject matter. :~D
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The Man With No Band
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1/23/2009 1:22:06 AM
I have a question for you fly ... since you are in the fielding mood ...
Do you suppose there is something wrong with a guy who likes damn near everything ? ... I don't mean a guy that says he does ... but a guy that REALLY does ...
Is his circuitry miss wired, do you suppose ? ... Is he lucky or cursed ? ...
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1/23/2009 8:19:26 AM
I wouldn't say there's something wrong with you but if every day was New Year's Eve, none of those days would have the same importance, would hit the spot with as much sensation as when it comes once a year.
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1/23/2009 10:41:31 AM
Hmmm.... can't relate to this part of your blog at all FLY. Your statement is pretty obvious. If every day is Christmas (or New Years) then you are probably over 80 and senile, or already in an institution somewhere.
Sam--- I've found LOADS of artists on IAC music who are TRITE, corny, sound like ASS even though they are NOT trying to, play crappy and who can't sing to save their lives or write a good tune/lyrics, even if they were SMACKED in the face by a MUSE flying by their open window.
BUT for THOSE folks on IAC, I just choose not to listen again to them, and follow my mother's advice, which I USUALLY ignore --- "if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all".... Don't get me wrong, I'll in your FACE speak me mind, if I think it's necessary to your growth as a human. Like I did with Kev White recently. But if a person just plain sucks, and there's no way they could know it, it's better just to steer clear. I was hard on KEVIN because he has TONS of potential & should KNOW better by now -- BUT, he needs to get some FUCKIN" passion & LOVE back in his rich-ass, over-educated, pompous, snooty life. Maybe he just needs a good regular lay, so that the large insect (sorry fly--not one of your brethren I'm sure) is RELEASED from his tight -white -asshole.
It's just fuckin' IGNORANCE to think EVERY Artist on IAC is amazing -- who might you be referin' to Sam? Who the fuck has voiced such an opinion, I mean who has said something that fuckin' dumb? I'd really like to know.
TO BE FAIR -- there are ALSO hundreds of Artists on IAC that I haven't heard yet, and I'm sure many of them are great at what they do, but without promotion they have blended into the woodwork. Since I haven't heard them, I haven't commented or put THEM on my stations either, but it DOESN'T mean that THEY suck.
So Sam, my good man -- what exactly are you talkin' about up in fly's fairly open/honest blog here?
-yer smokin' & music bud -- pHLeGm
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The Man With No Band
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1/23/2009 11:27:04 AM
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Phlegm .... That be me I'm referrin' to ... :)
Yes it's true that there are those that are outta tune ... and there are some bits of music that I really don't like ... they really are a rare exception to me ...
I guess one would have to experience the "ringing in my ears" that never goes away and gets worse everyday or the loss of a lot of my hearing ability to understand ...
... everything sounds beautiful to me anymore ...
but even without that loss ... I very seldom listen with my ears ... that is not where you can really hear things ... most people and especially engineers hears things with his ears, because he has been taught that is where you hear from ... and that's O.K. ... but there is so much more that one can hear without their ears ...
That and I learned to see without my eyes and feel without touching .... I know to most that sounds crazy ... but it is a fact our brain can function and give you all those senses ... without the use of our extremities that were created to make it easier to do so ... but they are really just artificial limbs ...
... and it is true that I like almost all music .... here awhile back I did a test ... I opened up IAC and reviewed the first ten "New Releases" ... I can't remember for sure .. but I don't think any of the regular bloggers were in that list ... I was amazed to find that I liked all of them .. not all at the same level mind you ... but I enjoyed each and every one of them ...
Beethoven was deaf when he heard the finest music ... Hugh put up an amazing video of a woman (Wish I could think of her name) ... That is one of the most talented musicians I've ever heard ... and she's deaf ... but she can hear and understand sound better than 99 percent of the people with hearing ...
... and as far as everyday is "NEW YEARS EVE" .. yep ... I suffer from that too ... :)
I truly AM happy ... everyday ... not sure what's wrong with me but I don't care ...
I have seen days that most could not imagine, and they would say that it is some kind of horror ... I think it's a blessing ... and I know that their are others out there who have things much worse ...
I'm not trying to say I'm better than anyone ... I'm not trying to say everyone should be like me ... I'm not trying to imply I'm smarter than anyone ... I'm not even trying to imply that I'm sane .... I'm only stating a fact ... I love life ... every second of it !
All the pain ... all the misfortune ... all the horror ... I welcome all of it ... bring it on ... it's too beautiful to describe ... most say anything that beautiful would make them puke ... I'd say they haven't been lucky enough to experience it ...
I've lived in the worst shit holes ... been robbed at gunpoint ... been on my death bed more than once ... seen other's deaths up close and personal ... gone days without food or shelter ... had some teeth knocked out ... had most of my bones broken ... had LARGE amounts of money embezzled ... on and on ...
So what ? .... I get to breathe ... I get to see some amazing stuff in the sky ... I get to hear beautiful music ... I get to feel and share love ...
I'm lucky .... I've hit the jack pot ....
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1/23/2009 8:12:30 PM
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What can I say man.
Your always amazing in the blogs. Even your HARSH words, have an air of LOVE about them.
All I can think of is this, if you REALLY have reached a point of living your life everyday, in the way you just described in detail, then you are WAY more evolved than I ever imagined.....
And if there's an afterlife, a heaven or reincarnation YOUR gonna be heading STRAIGHT to that Great Dance; no fiery pits of hell, no purgatory or Hades, & no comin' back as a little fishie, no pass go, no collect $200. Straight into that wonderful nirvana, whatever it might consist of. That much I feel fairly certain of.
PLEASE if you're NOT already on the list of that IAC Woodstock thingee that Enox & TOmmy Saddler, et. al., are trying to do..... PLEASE consider showing up in 2010 and not only performing, but being ANOTHER public speaker, along with JILL & TONY (DirgeK's Mum & Dad).
You are RIPE with true wisdom my friend. And I'm sure you've realized I DIG what the MUSE sends to you by now. Yer on My FAV's station, rer god's sake!
I've been having a REAL shitty nite with Princezzz, after a very tough week, and your words (as usual) have brightened my evening a little bit.
And reminded me of how little I actually know about being an evolved human.
Thanks again Sam.
OH Yeah, and my comments above were 'cause I thought FLY was talkin' about some delusional/ insane Artist or Listener on IAC.....
I hope you have a GREAT nite, wherever you're chillin'. And PLEASE smoke on the PEACE PIPE for me & my loved ones. We are unable to do so for almost 2 weeks now due to being in survival mode with the mulah.
SIGH. I have so much to learn.
-pHLeGm
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The Man With No Band
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1/23/2009 8:28:37 PM
Ha ! ... well thanks Phlegm ... but I'm afraid I fall way short of all that praise ... !
... but I am glad you enjoy reading my blabs ... One thing I have proved is I can blab ...
there is soooo much to learn .... and I just enjoy being alive to do so ... Like everyone, I have my dark side ... and have done many things in my life that most would absolutely be appalled by ... so don't put me up there to high my friend ..
Look at yerself ... workin' hard ... raisin a passel full of kids ... tryin' to learn and gettin' better each day with yer tunes ... there is a lot you ... and each of us can look at and be proud of ... and I'm sure there are lots we can all look at and not be so proud of ...
but it's life ... it's an opportunity to exist ... how can it get any better than that ?
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1/23/2009 8:33:03 PM
oh boy.... we better stop all this silly praise or FLY is gonna delete this post!
uh... Sam, I figured you weren't a saint yet, but at least in the IAC world, your like an evolved Bob Dylan up in here to me.
Don't Yet know how, which tune exactly, when, or if it's even acceptable to you, but I would LOVE to cover a tune of yours.... to bring this back to music.
And THAT's NOT just blowin' Smoke up yer butt!
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fly on the wall
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1/23/2009 8:47:05 PM
Hey. Send me some of those happy pills, Phlegm. :~D
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The Man With No Band
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1/23/2009 8:56:42 PM
tell ya what Phlegm .... How 'bout doin somethin' that no one here has heard ... I'll dig in the vault and drag a couple out and send them your way ... and if you'd like to take a shot at them I'd be honored ...
No expectations ... or no time frame ... I'll send you a message later tonight or tomorrow through yer Artist mail ...
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1/23/2009 9:52:02 PM
WOAH! what a fuckin' honour! YES --- and I like the timeframe --- no expectations.... that works, with my crazy life, Sam.
And FLY --- NO happy pills. In fact, no peace pipe even, at all, for over a week.
Which is why if you read the whole PIPELINE right now, you'll see the VERY SAD pHLegm, who's tryin' to keep a stiff upper lip and be strong.... and the promoter pHLegm, tryin' to speak positive of himself & others that he loves on IAC....
Urr... and the psycho pHLegm who's speakin of himself in THIRD PERSON again... DOH!
Seriously Fly, TRULY I almost always respect your comments, as I've said other times -- even the harsh, cynical and difficult ones.
And SAM --- Lookin' forward to that Artist mail.
WOW!!! How the fuck would I have made it through this shitty week without IAC?
Gotta curb that addiction to the blogs & such, and take a break again.
Thanks for encouraging me to stop by this blog SAM & fly....
See ya soon.
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